Using Windows as my Development Environment.

as a human being I would prefer seeing than reading, that's why I stick to windows which has good gui (also I like games lol)

@bigworld12 Ah, so you've never used Linux then

@inaba I used Ubuntu for a while but reverted back to windows eventually

@bigworld12 5 minutes doesn't count, bruv ;)

@inaba more like an entire year actually xd

@hugh-mungus it's all about them pwa's

@dontbeevil This. I mean, at the end of the day, the code you write matters - not what OS or tools you used to do it.

@bigworld12 @rEaL-jAsE Which desktop environment is bad according to you? Because there are shitloads of those.

@linuswillner I'm not a programmer professionally (sysadmin) but we aren't allowed to use windows in production environments.

@rEaL-jAsE Depends, QT applications can be very beautiful, cross platform GUI development :)

@linuxxx This thread talks about development environments exclusively. In addition to that, running Windows in production is a ludicrous idea that nobody in their right mind would implement. What I’m saying is that as a dev environment it doesn’t really matter what OS you use so long as you produce good code.

@linuswillner No I'm not saying as a server, I mean as a server engineer. Not the servers but the engineers' computers.

Just to clarify to anyone still commenting on my rant, I'm referring to my Desktop machine was Windows OS and developed stuff on it for apps/websites/etc. The servers can be anything but had I gone through a Linux OS as my development machine, I would definitely get more done (and less distraction because limited games and stuff).

@dontbeevil Heh, of course someone will run Windows in production, that’s the nature of the beast. That’s not to say it’s any better...

@linuxxx Oh that way... Then that seems a bit odd to me. Maybe they want the environments to be in sync to minimise potential mishaps?

@dontbeevil Again, that’s not to say it cannot work, but using Windows Server is just impractical - Linux is all-round better suited for server use.

@dontbeevil Actually, no. I am a Windows user myself - it's my day-to-day OS and I like it that way. I actually like developing on Windows because software support is overall better than on Linux. But when it comes to server-side use, I couldn't imagine using Windows for production. It just feels like shoving a square plug through a round hole.

@linuswillner Nope. Purely out of security perspective.

Boss doesn't want any piece of software to be used in prod which can't be publicly verified/researched for security vulnerabilities or backdoors. He says: how can you provide a secure environment when the tools you use can't even be checked for vulnerabilities or backdoors?

@linuxxx Didn’t even think of that. Well, that is a valid point.

@linuswillner Same reason I refuse to use windows/mac. The biggest reason I only use Linux and open source software is the one I described above. Especially in a day and age of mass surveillance, zero day exploit markets and backdoor requiring laws, I'm not going to use a closed source system :)

@linuxxx ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sure, that’s savvy. Me personally I don’t always bother worrying so much about my programs. Of course I dutifully check what I install, but I ain’t going to pick my code editor or music player apart just so I can see it’s not sending some random telemetry. If there is an option to turn off most or all telemetry, I turn it off. But I’m not going to compile something from source just for the sake of it. I’m not careless nor Richard Stallman.

@linuswillner Best example was the CCleaner scandal. Hackers hacked into the build server and slipped in malware. They found out months and months later solely because someone discovered a suspicious connection.

Imagine if that guy wouldn't have discovered that, would millions more have downloaded backdoored versions? Nobody could inspect the source code anyways.

@linuswillner I don't compile anything from source haha. But at least the code of the software I use is publicly available for review :)

@linuxxx Makes sense. I also use open source software to a large extent, but some programs are proprietary and I just prefer them over the open source alternatives so I use them.

The “compile from source” comment came from talking to someone on whose head I could almost see the tinfoil hat, who suggested I should compile some text editor (Can’t even remember which) from source to disable crash reporting.

@linuswillner What does a tinfoil hat has to do with that? Those are about electro magnetic waves affecting ones brain.

If you meant paranoid, first lookup the definition of paranoia, I'm called paranoid a lot but if you look at the real definition, I don't fit it :)

@linuxxx Heh, that wasn’t meant literally nor even directed at you. I meant that the person who suggested me to compile the text editor from source just so it wouldn’t report crashes (And nothing else) was maybe a slight bit overconsiderate about his privacy.

@linuswillner Being over considerate about privacy has nothing to do with paranoia, that was my only point :)

@linuxxx Indeed.

@linuswillner I mean hey, I block Google and Facebook out of my laptop entirely. Also my android phone doesn't have Google apps installed!

@dontbeevil I can't be. But I trust it a lot more than software which doesn't have the source code publicly available.

I did compile some of the programs I use from source but don't have the time to do that with everything I use. Next one is going to be Signal.