@fullstackcircus
I had him figure out a basic MySQL cli table set up and simple query(we already went through datatypes, when/why/etc to limit max char, use of varchar vs char, ints that are strings but take less storage space as ints, etc.)
So I gave him my simple py script (crypto wallet entry from untrusted user input) and told him to find and read through the mysql import used until he understood why i was making him do it.

Surprisingly, after he got over that the 2 imports of the giant package were each over 1000 lines, he figured it out. No additional help. Fully explained the concept (of what he now knows is akin to a wrapper or alias) that the python code wasnt actually connecting to the db it was only creating the MySQL code by using py functions so the MySQL code/commands would work like straight CLI and perform the same operations/return the requested data back to the py code.

Now he's super excited and focused to the point i need to watch so he doesnt burn out.

@fullstackcircus
An update, he did dumb shit irl again, got fired, *significant time lapse*, pulled his head out of his rear a few weeks ago and worked his ass off catching up on the shit he didn't do before, enough to be rehired. Since it gave me carte blanche to set the bar a bit higher while offering less coddling... i did.

I have a shit frame of ref for, well, most things, but definitely easy/simple vs complex/potentially mean comp sci stuff...
Since he needs to understand a lot in a short time, like how programs dont actually need to be written (at least the vast majority) in whatever language the api or connecting endpoint wants/requires, and he needs to be very familiar with dbs, asap...

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@Hazarth nah... it'll just be called something like "W" or ":\" with the way naming schemes are going... gen z, twitter > X, the name Meta being trademarked.

... ooo maybe someone will get the mass of countries with shared int domain over the indian ocean to let them build a large floating island in the middle that connects to a massive targeted satellite array to create a central, decentralised ownership, prime internet redundancy and universal gateway... and forcibly claim the domain of "Web.io" or "io.io" and that will be the next level!

I mean, it sounds nuts, so I must be pretty close right?

@tosensei wouldnt that take more than a few thousand bucks in grants?

Im honestly clueless to that specific type of dynamic... never was around that level long enough (or paying enough attention) to witness that.

@Lensflare also... i couldnt think of a better term in english than gesplittert... happens frequently when im in hyperfocus coding... mostly german, but sometimes dutch or russian, with the rare occasional arabic.

I still occassionally get a moment of amusement when your name pops up and i think of how overly polite you were when i messaged you in Tirolerisch acting like it was valid/common deutsch. I told one of my oldest german (nord) friends and he told me I was too mean.

@Lensflare dont worry... im gonna change that (the bulk of nonsensical nfts and lemmings investing in utility-less blockchain gifs, the js idealists are too far gone)

Btw... if you ever wanna find out wtf im doing and dont mind an nda, just ask.
Also, as a partially valid teaching moment and the rest personal amusement... an underling will be making a meme for you in the near future (apple/swift related)

@Demolishun @TeachMeCode
Demolishun is totally right... but i have more resources (and likely more exp). I used to teach irl electronics/minor programming classes years ago. Taught 1st graders- 70yr olds.

Ive been using arduinos since ~1yr after they came out (like the official launch date not my awareness).

I still occasionally get requests from schools (hs and uni mostly) and the rare community center to source supplies.

Fun fact: since I've always been a profesional middleman at some level, that means, when i source stuff for any charitable org (or gov supplemented social resource like schools and community centers, libraries etc too) even getting my cost reimbursed, the gap between that and MRSP is a tax write off... and yes, the IRS totally hates me (stuff like this only ranks ~4th on the list of why)

If anyone in the usa ever has tax questions feel free to ask. I must admit, i get a minor kick out of their frustration and frequent, always beyond failure, auditing of me.

@TeachMeCode send me your address on tg. Im ordering another lot of arduinos and beyond (wholesale, some for resale even) I can send you a custom starter kit with some shiny random components... itd actually be helpful to me for the ecomm site idk if i told you about yet (and now i can tell u whatever //nda)

Side note- i got you a random gift or 2 youll love (it was convenient and relatively free)

So there's a HUGE update to this thread... like so huge i had to do a 'is this real life' and 'is there any way im on a large amount of drugs i didn't willingly take' check in real time with a friend on a call and bits of video chat.

When i get time in the next day or so ill write it up in a new thread... it's SOOOO much more wtf than this... i still haven't reached the mysterious conclusion. I almost want to publish it in chapters for suspense and speculation; i wouldnt even need to exaggerate/belittle or otherwise distort the raw factual events/timeline... even my imagination got majorly pwned by what happened.

@lungdart so true... even i have and ive never even worked as a collaborative code monkey :'-(

@TeachMeCode only when python meets my demands!:
- No required whitespace formatting.
- Tab==4*space
- STATIC TYPING
- semicolons... like a real language

Then I'll be open to discussion.

@SidTheITGuy
oh i do, dont you? Tbh not often, there's normally plenty of varied choices... but in a pinch, solo's tolerable.

... wait! Is THAT your problem?!?!

How did I not realise this before?... must've been another, blonde moment. I feel so dumb. All the signs were so damn clear!
-Short fuse

-Irrational, quick scaling, attacks

-Intense focus on any who dont seem miserable, and/or the opposite sex.

-Projecting via insults more true to yourself

-Inconsistent mentions of things to negate topics before any mentions of them (ie. sudden marriage announcement supposedly 2wks after, yet during(&after) your activity was the same).

-low self-esteem w/need of attention/whatever you can muster as validation

I truly apologise, here i thought you were just an immature, prick with a napoleon complex, lacking a social life and any originality/creativity.

I'll try to be more sensitive to your plight. I suggest looking into male prostrates; give that stick up your arse a valid purpose.

@Lensflare nfts are like js... there are totally valid use cases that are ideal to leverage the tech... but there's so many dimwits (denke kohlköpfig passt besser an) jumping on the bandwagon, it totally breaks down... in a spectacular (literally) way. So it taints everything around making the great, valid use cases reminiscent of the gesplittert wreck.

@SidTheITGuy
Tbh, i find it hysterical AND highly amusing. It's like a 3 stooges skit with the irony of the topic of AI. Like even though it's shit AI, there are 2 humans who should have innate intelligence, yet instead, prove they are less valid than subpar artificial intelligence.

@SidTheITGuy sidney, dont you realise the irony here?

-the OP is putting out nonsensical crap referencing AI (artificial "intelligence", aks the ability to learn).

-you are trying to teach him to stop mindlessly posting crap that he never even comments or discusses.

- he's been doing the same bs this whole time despite people getting annoyed and him not receiving any positive feedback (ie. Not having or using the ability to learn)

- yet you are, once again, lashing out trying to get him to learn, when there hasnt been even a tiny spark or willingness or ability to do so.

- which comes full circle as you arent learning (aka applying any intelligence) that trying to engage/force to learn, @ the OP, is futile, as he's not using any intelligence (aka ability to learn/change via logic)

@jestdotty well now im curious about this thing/guy lol.

@Demolishun dude... so I'm naturally oblivious to that type of flirting stuff... like reeeeally oblivious. Ive found out so many people were into me way later. The same is true for being bullied (kid got suspended in 7th grade, in a school so small they nvr suspended someone before, i still have no clue wtf he did to bully me but everyone thought i knew and was so hurt i was pretending not to know)... this may explain why im in the fields i am. I must admit... most chicks annoy me, not all(im technically bi too). They are super confusing and illogical a lot of the time. It's like how i imagine normal people see a rubix cube challenging (i dont, never did... its weird)

Oh... i feel like i should mention this... the pattern is similar with things like Magic the Gathering... which i also kick ass in. Ive been to sooo many tournaments that someone newer to the area(ie hasnt played me before) always assumes i came with a bf and was just playing to make them happy... then gets reeeeeallly pissed when i annihilate them (im not boasting, it's caused issues).

I'm not a typical woman by any regard outside of genetics and 1 more hole than guys... so i probably dont understand the whole female viewpoint (all my friends have nearly always been male too, im the 1 girl in the 2 bigger groups of friends).

I think there may be some stigma (true or false) when females are thinking about being attractive to males (i dont naturally consider that).. kinda like a fear of a reverse of the typical 'being friend-zoned' if they are involved in too many male-dominant things

@donkulator while i agreed with you... it's hard to spot and take down skilled bullshitters.

Personally, i am an award winning bullshitter... i dont use my skills for evil. I also agree that it shouldnt be so easy for anyone, me included, to win on bs. But since it is and i frankly enjoy out bs-ing a stuck up bs-er... i tend to play with, then cull, bullshitters when i have the time or they pull that crap on me.

My solution:

Who else wants to learn to be a better bullshitter just to cull the domineering crap ones? Free lessons.

My view is simple.

Engjneers, especially software, typically work in an R&D like environment. I don't necessarily mean in a lab separate from everyone.

If you think about it, devs are tasked with making the systems, and often products, that support a company at an extremely base level. Often other parts of a company dont need to sign an NDA even. Most dev teams are managed in a way that kinda bottlenecks the ability for code leaks (often poorly) and interaction with the rest of the company.

This means the devs work with the devs, have the opportunity to get really close...and long periods without being watched.

So-
Sexual distraction(decrease in production increase in errors)

Fear of lawsuits( which leads to a certain tension often or awkward silence when things need to be communicated)

Then consider average higher-ups of companies needing a lot of dev... mostly clueless to IT and a lot of nepotism/adjacently placed males, who tend to inherently be the 'flirtatious' slime type

@Jedidja @Demolishun

Personally, i want all languages to have makeover modes... like it you pick the year/iteration/ver of a language then can add on something like connecting to the internet (like original fortran didnt have) not all the other shit, and just code it with those specifications. In theory itd be much less prone to issues, bloat, etc

@Liebranca thx for the low down on rust... now its moving down the queue a bit. I dislike just about anything thats made to keep protecting people from their own stupidity... the lack of an actual "off" button, the prompts 'are you really super duper sure u wanna do this thing that you explicitly keep trying to do?', the attendants at bounce houses (Hüpfburgen) (i do understand that necessity, but dont like it), browsers trying to stop me from going to uncertified domains, coffee cups warning u its hot, etc

Ive had several issues with compiling valid code because of something not recognising it as such... when i work around the compiler to compile, it works just fine.

I have rust in my queue to learn... mainly cuz it may work better for some things im using python and likely conda on... but i highly doubt it wont pale in comparison to c++ and c for me... but i have been using them since 7 and 8, respectively.

Imo if a language needs users to spam illogical, extremely opinionated comparisons to any other language, they are essentially a straw doll.

@kanyewest ehh i know, im adorable... it's quite deceptive. Me being "hot" is more dependent on preference. Im pretty overweight, decently dispersed, but still fat. I certainly have no shortage of people who still find me very attractive though.

@jestdotty i kinda wanna link him to this... is that bad?

@EqualityCoder
1st... your name is equality... just like i equally refer to immature people(regardless of age) as "kids", i sometimes use the term dude... idgaf what you gender is. If you need further proof of this find anyone whos chatted with me in russian or german for awhile... im totally genetically female(and dont understand the other stuff) yet even referring to myself i tend towards the, often shorter, male versions... sometimes it's very ironic... like when someone asks me how/why/length i know german, i typically say "...ein Übersetzer" instead of Übersetzerin (female translator)

2. Im well aware of both device types and many more. If youre using prototyping controllers for serious work, youd know it's simple and easy to take an arduino and add whatever components you want to it. If youre s hobbyist the ones like rasp pi are better because its a catch-all... whicg is also why the price is higher.

Just like with code, excess is bloat (money or components).

@retoor no... i dont do well in cold or communism... also im autistic, overly logical, question everything including my own thoughts/sanity on a equal ground, highly intelligent, etc... id be a volatile risk for any brainwashing or indoctrination. Also, my genes are shit, im minus any valid use of 2 limbs and a uterus... i think all parties would agree, im a horrible candidate.

That said, until last yr i had a spinal cord stimulator in... the type that cant go in an mri or xray machine... couple that with my amazing acting skills (since the whole autistic vibe was clearly troublesome growing up i got really good at faking shit... scary good) and how im an overweight, deceivingly adorable, handicapped female that know ±7 languages, how to build and/or hack about anything involving electricity or chemicals... id make a great terrorist.
The only issue is there's nothing i actually care enough about for that... *sigh*

Oh and to answer your question (didnt check if answered but it's pretty obv imo)...

It is what it was always meant to be:
Something that piggybacks on the market arduino built that, it wasnt proprietary, allowed tons of real code and could make basically anything if you actually know elec engineering/code enough... components were always uninhibited for mass production and even encouraged by arduio selling kits for making the actual arduino... if u didnt mind soldering.

RaspberryPi came around much later with the DIY infection... they made littke things that were shinier than arduino with only a little increase in hw, but good marketing and simplicity for new users... then kept using new shiny stuff to up the prices/options.

Basically im telling u to learn to be an engineer

Dude... are you unaware of Arduino's?

Our brand is your identity is really messed up. It's like saying they will assimilate you.